While waiting for Modul8 to get real Syphon input you can use this method to achieve it.
The files you need to make this work could be found on these sites:
QC Rehab plugin at Kineme.net
Syphon plugins
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Great video and exciting too see Modul8 in full development mode once again!
Is it possible to run the v.002 plugins now in Modul8 with Syphon?
Well, yes, in a way. But it’s really not as convenient as in VDMX and CoGe where you pipe a layer through a Quartz Composer plugin. If you want to get one of Vade’s plugins to work in Modul8 you need to do one of the following:
1. Run a movie clip in QC, put one or more v002 effects on it and send the clip to Modul8 via Syphon. It’s not that convenient but if you set up midi controls in QC you can control the parameters of the effects while being in Modul8. That is what I’m doing in the beginning of this video. I have an image of the QC comp on Flickr. I’m using 8 different movie sources in QC that I can switch between using a multiplexer patch and a midi controller.
2. Send the whole output from Modul8 to QC via Syphon, apply the effects in QC and send the final QC output to the screen. This will actually give you better frame rate since you are using Syphon in the official direction in Modul8. The backside is that you are modifying the whole output not just one layer. This is the method I was going to use in the above mentioned video. But due to that my partner didn’t use the same method it became a problem trying to match our screens in the video mixer. I never managed to stretch the output the same way that you can do in Modul8 with the advanced output. But then again, I’m really a QC n00b.
awesome, this was the final missing link for me:
Serato > Mix Emergency > Syphon >Modul8
Still haven’t tried it out live but i got it all working!
Thanks for all your awesome tutorials, i like the squirrels.
Thanks Orion! I’d love to see videos of that working. It always imagined that Serato and a VJ app as a cool combo but sometimes things don’t turn out as great in reality as they do in my wet VJ fantasies.
Thanks for your great tutorial Mike, got it running this afternoon. Lots of fun.
One problem I found, not covered in your video, was a lack of existence of the patches folder. May not apply to all systems. Due to permission problems, creating this folder is not straight forward:-
Create a folder on the desktop.
Rename it ‘Quartz Composer Patches’
Copy the QC Rehab patch into the newly created folder.
Good luck people.
Move folder into ‘Library/Graphics/’
Authenticate.
Good that you spotted that Andy, thanks!
hy!
you know how this things function on Lion? on kineme.net is no explanation how to instal plugins, and how i am very very new to all these things i get confused.. any help would be great!
thank youuu
@nikolina: As far as I know Syphon is compatible with Lion and I’ve heard other people getting the QC Rehab trick working on Lion so the answer is yes. I don’t have Lion installed yet myself and I will wait as long as I can to install it. If you watch the video it says where the plugin goes. But to explain it further in text: The Syphon plugin (syphon.plugin) goes in the folder :
Library/Graphics/Quartz Composer Plug-Ins
This is the Library folder on your main hard drive, not the one in you user folder. The QCRehab plugin (QCRehab.plugin) goes in the folder:
Library/Graphics/Quartz Composer Patches
Note that the Library folder is translated to the language you are using in OSX so it might not be called “Library”. If any of these folders doesn’t exist you should follow Andy T’s instructions higher up in this thread.
Good luck!
could you please give some post about live video and set it delay? and which is dslr camera support?
@ojhan: This is NOT super simple but if you are willing to put some effort into it there are some great tutorials on how to do it. However, the tutorials I’m aware of are for OSX.
I would look in to the video delay plugin for Quartz Composer and VDMX made by Bangnoise: http://kriss.cx/tom/video-delay/. Quartz Composer is a patched based programing environment from Apple that comes with OSX (it’s on the Developer disc or you can download it from http://developer.apple.com/). VDMX is a VJ software from Vidvox (http://vidvox.net). If you learn a bit of Quartz Composer you can modify Bangnoise’s example to do exactly what you want with the delay.
If you want to use Bangnoise’s video delay plugin with Modul8 you can look at the instructions I gave Orion in this thread:
http://forum.garagecube.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=5594&p=20100
The example is for Bangnoise’s Datamosh plugin but it should work the same way with the video delay comp. So you will send the output from Quartz Composer to Modul8 over Syphon. Note that you can’t use the same camera in QC and Modul8 at the same time.
Maybe there are simpler ways to do this in other software but nothing that I am aware of at this time.
Hello MidiThief,
I’m relatively new in the VJ world and I can’t manage to do the link Max/MSP>syphon>Modul8.
What I have is a max patch that can record live input and loop it. I wish to use it as a clip in modul8.
Is it possible to have this Syphon QCclient reading an Syphon Max Server?(I’m not getting the syphon client/server relation thing, as you can see)
How would you do it?
Cheers from Brazil,
Thanks in advance!
Hi Jean!
Yes it’s possible. Download the Syphon Simple Client app so that you can see that you are outputting properly from Max (do you the Syphon plugin for Max Properly installed?). Then make sure you have the QC Rehab plugin installed and load the Syphon Client QC.qtz file on a layer in Modul8. Your Max comp should now be visible in Modul8 if you can see it in the Simple Clinet app. Note that Syphon Client QC.qtz will display the first Syphon input, so if you have more applications outputting to Syphon you will make sure it’s first in line or change the Syphon Client QC.qtz to pick up the right stream. I don’t do Max so I can’t help you more on that side.
Thanks for the quick answer!
I helped a lot. Actually the max side was the problem, the syphon max server is a little annoying to set up and actually require other objects to simply be on your patch..
Well, after all everything is running as it should
Thank you very much!
Best,
Jean
Hi MidiThief,
I´m from colombia, i´m not VJ but i´m trying to lear all about mapping and visual effects, i think that syphon is a really good tool to proyect program images, can syphon show the image from traktor or virtual dj in modul8 ?.
can you tell me what is the best program to make mapping in buildings ?
Hello Juan Camilo Valencia!
Syphon itself can’t show images from other programs. These programs must be able to send to Syphon which they can’t. You need a screen capture program that supports Syphon to do that. There is one in the Syphon SVN but you have to compile it yourself in Xcode which is not that easy if you’re not familiar with the process. Here are some other methods you can use:
- Vade’s Screen Capture for Quartz Composer and send it to a Syphon server
- Instead of Modul8 you can use VDMX and CoGe that has built in screen capture
- Or the easiest way (but with less quality) you can use CamTwist that will get the windows from Traktor or Virtual DJ and export them so that you can use it as camera input in Modul8.
I loaded everything step by step and when I drop the syphon client QC.qtz in the media box it does not show up or wont load? do you know what I did wrong? I tried on the demo and a full version? I dont know what I did wrong? please help
Hi Joe!
- You need at least 10.6 (Snow Leopard) to run Syphon.
- Have you installed the latest version of Syphon? And have you installed the same version of QC Rehab as me?
- Are you 100% sure the Syphon plugin and the QC Rehab plugin has gone in to the right folder with the right names?
- Do you have the latest version of Modul8?
- Download the Simple Client from the Syphon site. If you send Syphon from Modul8, from Quartz Composer or any other Syphon abled app, do you see anything coming in to the Simple Client? This is the easiest way to test if the Syphon chain is working.
Good luck, let me know how it goes.
Hello! Thanks for the video, but i have a question, i can do the same but with modul8 in the output? i hope your responses, sorry for my english it’s too bad!
Thanks
Yes, in the latest version of Modul8 you have official Syphon output. What I show in the video is the unofficial way of getting Syphon input which is yet not supported by Modul8 (it will be, hopefully in the next release, possibly later this year).
Hey! Thank you so much for these videos and all your help and support on here and on garagecube.com
I am extremely new to VJing and video mapping so I’m sorry if I seem a little slow on how to do these things. I am usually very good with software being that I have been producing music on several different platforms for years.
My question is:
I am trying to install plugins but the folder /library/graphics doesn’t exist on my computer. Is it possible to install the plugins into another folder and get Modul8 to interact with that folder?
Also, it doesn’t even show an option for Syphon in the output dropdown in Modul8.
Again thank you so much for you time and patience! It is very much appreciated!
-Mike
….again, I apologize for having no solid knowledge on video mixing. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate the help you provide people with in the VJ scene.. you rock!
Thanks! Nice comments keeps me going that extra mile.
Hi Mike!
The only two reasons I know of regarding Syphon not showing up in the menu are:
1) You don’t have the latest version of Modul8
2) You don’t have OSX 10.6.8 or later.
Those are the requirements. But I’ve heard of one occasion when it still didn’t work. Try trashing the preferences. Turn off Modul8 go in to Preferences in [your user folder]/library/preferences the files are called something starting with “com.garagecube”. Start Modul8 again and see if it shows up. If that doesn’t work, contact Garagecube and they could help you further.
As for the folder question: You have to put the plugin in that specific folder. Read Andy T’s comment in this thread on how to create that folder if it doesn’t exist.
Good luck!
Thank you so much for the help! I definitely do have 10.6.8 and the latest Modul8 release. I’ll try trashing the prefs.
You’re the man!
Peace,
Mike
p.s. your demoreel visuals are awesome!
I can’t wait to get going with projection mapping and live video effects.